A Moral Code For The Post-Collapse World

A Moral Code For The Post-Collapse World

Popular media today, including television and cinema, are rife with examples of what is often referred to as moral relativism — the use of false and fictional moral dilemmas designed to promote the rationalization of an “ends justify the means” narrative. We are also bombarded lately with entertainment depicting an endless array of “anti-heroes,” protagonists who have little to no moral code fighting antagonists who are even more evil, thus vindicating the otherwise disgusting actions of the heroes. From “24” to “Breaking Bad” to “The Walking Dead,” American minds are being saturated with propaganda selling the idea that crisis situations require a survivor to abandon conscience. In other words, in order to defeat monsters, you must become a monster.

This theme is not only unavoidable in film and TV, but also in military journals, politics, and even within liberty movement discussion.

What I see developing is an extremely dangerous philosophy that rests on the foundation that victory (or survival) is the paramount virtue and that it should be attained at any cost. Moral compass becomes a “luxury” that “true” apex survivors cannot afford, an obstacle that could eventually get one killed. I have heard some survivalists and liberty proponents in anger over the trespasses of the corrupt establishment suggest a strict adherence to the eye-for-an-eye ideology, up to and including torture, harming of the enemy’s families, and even harming the children of those who would harm us.

There is also a small but ingrained subculture within spheres of survivalism that embraces the strategy of the “prepper pirate,” essentially planning their subsistence around the idea of taking what they need from others as a form of evolutionary realism. They believe that the “survival of the fittest” is more important than the survival of the principled.

In mainstream yuppie culture, this attitude would be labeled insane. Yet urban and suburban television addicts often cheer the concept of the ends justifying the means in their favorite prime time shows and consistently argue for morality stretching policies within government (as long as their “team” is in control of the football in Washington, D.C.). I have little doubt they would adopt such thinking in the event that disaster does strike and they find themselves unprepared amid desperate conditions.

In “Understanding The Fear Of Self-Defense And Revolution,” I discussed the inevitability of self-defense against criminal oligarchy and why common methods of pacifist activism are dangerously inadequate in the face of psychopathic tyranny. When self-defense or revolution is initiated, though, the movement does not necessarily fight only for its own benefit; nor does it fight simply to eliminate the threat. Our survival as individuals is not the primary concern; the survival of the principles and truths that drive us to fight is the ultimate goal. If there is such a thing as the “greater good,” truth and honor must be the apex of that vision.

If we cast aside our principles in the name of victory, then, ironically, we have still lost everything. Our war is fought on multiple levels, from the physical to the spiritual. Lose the spiritual war, lose sight of one’s conscience, and the physical war becomes meaningless.

I believe the formation of a liberty movement code, a kind of warrior’s code, is absolutely vital to our future. Without a new kind of oath, an oath not only to the Constitution but to our own internal values, the temptation to use our darker natures against the enemy during greater trials of the soul may be too much to bear. While conscience is an inborn gift, it sometimes requires a more outward affirmation in order to remain strong. Here are some elements I believe should make up the foundation of our code.

Defense Of The Innocent

We will do everything within our power whenever possible to ensure the safety and liberty of those people around us caught in the currents of collapse. Some might claim that the unprepared are not “innocent” because their lack of vigilance contributes to the decay of our society. I would say that while the ignorant are a danger to us and themselves, we would also be contributing to the decay of our society by refusing to help others when we have the ability to do so. Someone somewhere has to end the cycle. And if that requires us to sacrifice some of our energy and the satisfaction of saying “we told you so,” then this is what we must do.

I would also point out that the defense of the innocent does not begin when our economic and social structures end. We help them now, by offering them the knowledge to prepare and organize for mutual aid. We go to our town centers, to local churches, to our lecture halls; and we openly educate those who are willing to listen — not to preach politics or to indoctrinate, but to offer practical knowledge. We give them useful tools through neighborhood watch programs and Community Preparedness Teams. We teach them today how to defend themselves, their families and their property and how to invest in survival, so that tomorrow they will not feel compelled to become part of the problem, but part of the solution.

If we let our distaste for the unaware lead us into an attitude of “us versus them” against our own neighbors, then we will miss every chance to strengthen our communities. Our purpose is to bring others up, not to stand in pious judgment as they fall down.

We Prepare To Offer Aid, Even To Those We Think Might Not Deserve It

Many survivalists and preppers may scoff at this idea, but they would not be looking at the bigger picture. Offering aid to your community serves not only to help them, but to help you in the long run. Look at it this way; when FEMA arrives in a disaster-struck city or county, its “authority” means little to the shell-shocked citizenry. What does matter to them is that FEMA brings food, water and sometimes shelter. FEMA does this in its own sweet time and often allows numerous people to die before the aid is given, but it still maintains its authority over a region simply because there is no other alternative.

You must offer that alternative.

Imagine what would have happened if during the nightmare of Hurricane Katrina, while FEMA was lounging around watching the carnage and even denying access to private institutions offering supplies, New Orleans residents were greeted with liberty movement teams defying government mandate? What if liberty advocates from across Louisiana and the nation had marched right over the top of FEMA, escorted those trapped in the Superdome to a safe place, and gave them food and water? The movement raised millions of dollars for Ron Paul’s campaign (twice!), why couldn’t we do the same to save lives?

Imagine if we were to prove that FEMA is an unnecessary and frivolous organization ready for the dustbin? Imagine if we were to prove that communities can provide their own security and aid without the state, as Oath Keepers did in Ferguson, Missouri?

Even at a local level, this methodology could mean the difference between freedom and tyranny. Stockpiles of grain bought directly from independent farms can be had for very little money and strategically placed for use in future calamities. Affordable water filtration could prevent disease and dehydration for thousands. A team of engineers could solve waste and grid-down dilemmas. A team of well-trained security personnel could prevent looting, rape and murder. Imagine if the catastrophe the elites wish to engineer was mitigated or thwarted by the very people the disaster was meant to target? Imagine how much satisfaction that would give you.

Our Actions Are Inspired By Conscience, Not Rage

To fight in self-defense is entirely moral, but there are lines that, if crossed, destroy our moral high ground. Without the moral high ground, we become no better than the elites we seek to remove from our lives. This means that we do not harm people unless they are attempting to harm us. We punish criminals, not their families and not their children. We do not torture, not only because it is a useless tactic with little concrete proof of effectiveness, but because it is a morally reprehensible psychopathic act designed to fulfill a sick desire for sadistic power. It is not who we are.

When we fight, we fight in the knowledge that we have first and foremost protected our moral foundation. We see those who promote moral ambiguity and moral relativism as an element destructive to the purpose of liberty. Winning means nothing and survival means nothing, unless we endeavor to deserve life.

We Do Not Run Unless We Plan To Return

In an asymmetric revolution, there is rarely such a thing as a “front line” or a piece of ground that must be defended at all costs. That said, successful asymmetric warfare requires that the enemy pay an overwhelming price for every attack he initiates. This means that said revolt must always be aggressive, never relenting, always striking, and resting or retreating only to stage a more effective counter. Every time a totalitarian system advances without consequence, it generates political, social, psychological and tactical momentum. Without the courage to engage such advances, revolt is impossible. Fear leads to moral rationalizations. The fearful cannot adequately defend themselves, let alone defend others; and, once again, the moral high ground is lost.

Zero Tolerance For Piracy And Criminality Within

Prepper pirates and others on the very fringes of the survival movement who seek to thrive at the expense of others are not only criminal according to natural law, but they are also a blight on the reputation of the liberty movement itself. Our principles will require us to stamp out such people as a priority. Those who would viciously impose upon the innocent as a preplanned strategy are not redeemable. Even if they claim to hate the same elites we fight against, the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend. Prepper pirates are rabid dogs who should be put down.

We Are Professionals, And Guardians Never Satisfied With Half Measures

We carry ourselves as quiet professionals. We strive to represent the best potential of what the liberty movement has to offer. There is no problem we cannot solve and no opponent too large. We do not know the meaning of the word “impossible.” We operate best under pressure and during disaster. We move to disrupt crisis before it begins when possible, and we refuse to stand back as spectators when crisis does develop. We work diligently to master all knowledge and training that could be used to achieve our goal, which is a free, prosperous and independent citizenry. We do not seek leadership over others; we only wish to teach others how to lead themselves. We will not stop until this goal is accomplished or until we are no longer breathing. We are not mutable or flexible where tyranny is concerned. We are entirely uncompromising. We are stubborn bastards, here to drive oligarchs even crazier than they already are. We are here to undo them and their treacherous world. And in this mission, we find ultimate comfort and peace.

 

 

 

 

 

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written by justanobserver , February 18, 2015

Well said Brandon.

Although it would be understandable to seek retribution against any target of opportunity, there is no hope or future in becoming just like an oligarchy or government that is seen as the enemy of freedom.

Like every other insurrection/rebellion currently going on in the world, the bastards who have no moral code care nothing about the injuries and deaths they bring to innocents.

This is true now and has been true for centuries. It is true of all nations and peoples. It is true of America- from the burning of native populations by the Puritans to the burning of people in foreign nations at wedding parties by remote-controlled technology.

If insurrection/rebellion comes, someone will perpetrate atrocities against non-combatants and point the finger and say squirrel. And if that type of battle is joined there may not be a chance at a better tomorrow.

The fight is against principalities and powers of this world not against those who have no dog in the fight and just want what the liberty movement should cherish most dearly. The freedom to be left alone to enjoy life as long as they do no harm to others.

 

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A tall order for sure,
written by ThomasR , February 18, 2015

Good piece Brandon,
In my mind i have always thought this to be the right direction, actually lived that way growing up, small comunities need to help eachother and everyone stand together with the strongest helping to raise those who are not clear on their strengths and far too aware of their weakness.
Where I personally have fallen off that track has been dealing with the naysayers, it appears that in my area there are a large number of the itll never happen here crowd, then there is a large contingent of the well take what we want crowd, a bit daunting for sure,
Do i help defend my neighbors who said it will never happen here, only to get mowed down and lay my lovedones open?
Or do i dig in and defend and wait for the dust to settle?
Its a tough call and one i fear we will only be able to see how it unfolds, plans have a tendency to just go out the window.
We are isolated, produce very little of what we consume here, the stores go barren in a matter of days and in many cases hours when disaster is headed our way, and that is when there is a resupply, what will happen when there is NO resupply?
Theres the it will never happen here voices,,,
Tough calls coming i think

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Brandon Smith on the cutting edge – the spirituality of warriors
written by Sage Eurasian , February 18, 2015

Well must quite hand it to Brandon Smith, for being on the cutting edge of a very important discourse for our time … especially given what is likely to happen inside Yank America very soon. And above all, for the high morality and thoughtfulness of Brandon’s approach.

Interesting that for his article’s image, a photo and dialogue reflecting the ancient Asian spiritual warrior culture, has been chosen. Brandon Smith is in fact writing in a thousands-of-years-old tradition.

The Asian culture of the spiritual warrior is intrinsically beautiful and accessible to Westerners, regardless of what may be a person’s current view of religion and spirituality.

The most beloved spiritual text of India – quite brief, an afternoon’s reading – is the Bhagavad-Gita, and it is quite precisely, the tale of a warrior named Arjuna, who is preparing to fight a great, just battle … but the warrior is afflicted with doubts.

In turns out that this warrior Arjuna, has God himself for his chariot driver, in the form of Krishna. God stops time itself before the battle, and explains to his hesitating warrior what life and truth are all about … why the warrior should fight the just cause in a just way … and why the warrior should have no fear whatsoever.

There’s a nice video version of this scene done by Peter Brooks in ‘Mahabharata’ (the larger work of which the Bhagavad-Gita is a part). First ten minutes here on YouTube, title ‘Krishna’s Council in Time of War’ (mis-spelling of ‘Counsel’ there)

Background for those unfamiliar … Hinduism has neither an eternal hell nor a ‘one way only’ dogmatism, but has the idea that God takes many forms, Krishna & many other gods / goddesses, God being both many and one … and we all are on varying roads back to re-joining with God / gods through our many lifetimes and visits to afterlife in between. We can take many individual paths to God, meditation, knowledge, devotion etc … and one of those paths is that of fulfilling the duty of a warrior fighting for justice and the innocent.

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Freedom from and freedom to
written by agent , February 18, 2015

Sage:
Thanks for noticing the picture Brandon chose and giving us details about the spiritual warrior in Hinduism
It is important to keep in the forefront of our minds why we are fighting the good fight
Just an observer points out who we are fighting the good fight against
There must be an overriding purpose to achieving a goal which is more important than the goal itself
Many of you may be familiar with the song Let My People Go which is sung during the Passover Seder
The words following Let My People Go are followed six times by these words
So they we may serve Him
The Jews wanted freedom not to simply escape the shackles of slavery to enjoy life
They wanted the freedom to live holy lives which would serve and glorify God
Don Levit

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Bravo
written by Reality , February 18, 2015

Excellent position to promote.

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Fourth Turning
written by DA , February 18, 2015

There is a book about historical cycles by Howe and Strauss called, “The Fourth Turing”. Events in history do not repeat, but beliefs and attitudes do seem to cycle. We must go through winter before we can enjoy spring. Highly suggested!

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Absolute moral laws require an absolute moral law giver
written by Theocrat , February 18, 2015

Absolute moral laws require an absolute moral law giver, this logic is unavoidable. The debate about which religion provides the preconditions for absolute moral laws and comports with the preponderance of evidence eventually has to be breached because you cannot insist on absolute moral values and then turn around and say everyone’s religious beliefs are equally valid or invalid depending on your perspective because beliefs from various religions contradict each other.

As a Christian, I believe it is only the Christian belief system as revealed in God’s word that provide the preconditions for moral absolutes and ALSO provides the strongest historical evidence demonstrating the God of the Bible as the only God that actually exists. No other religion even comes close to providing the kinds and degree of evidence for the voracity of religious claims than Christianity. And Christianity actually traces its roots all the way back to God’s promise to Eve that the Seed of the woman will crush the head of the Serpent, referencing Christ’s work on the cross.

Now I know non-Christians are going to cry foul but honestly ask yourself, does your belief system, religious or non-religious, provide the preconditions for absolute moral values and your proof text or evidence demonstrate this stronger than the Christian faith does, I say it can’t and you should join me in accepting the Christian faith as the one and only true belief system, Christian Theism. And before you accuse me of enforcing my religion with the sword like Muslims are accused of, there is nowhere in the Bible where the Christian belief system is to be forced on people, sure the Gospel is commanded to be preach to all men but it’s up to the holy Spirit to convict the heart and bring them to Christ, there is no coercion through the use of force whatsoever.

I am also convinced that it is precisely because of the Christian faith that America experienced the greatest amount of freedom and moral values of any nation at the time and we are only going through these trials of tyranny as a nation because we have turned our backs on God and followed after our own lusts, “Christians” included. Modern American “Christians” are just as guilty of Statism as your average global Marxist and we have bought into the lie that we should bless Israel ie. send our sons and daughters over in the middle east to die “fighting the Muslim” all for the Marxist state of Israel who is just as guilty or even more guilty of persecuting Christians than any Muslim nation and we need to repent of this sin and stop. Other nations are outside of our jurisdiction and if they want to self-destruct or destroy each other that’s for the people of their respective nations to deal with.

Sincerely,
Theocrat

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written by Brandon Smith , February 18, 2015

@Theocrat

God created Natural Law, which includes the inborn laws of conscience present in every human being regardless of their cultural or religious background. A person does not need to be a Christian to already possess an understanding of conscience, it is ingrained in the soul of every man and woman. As you point out, we could convert everyone in the world to Christianity and it wouldn’t change a thing exactly because many Christians do not follow the mandates of natural law.

I personally have no interest whatsoever in the fight over which religion is “better” or more complete. I don’t care if someone is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, etc. As long as they follow natural law, the world works great. If they don’t, we get the kind of disaster we are facing now.

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Faith and hope
written by iwitness02 , February 18, 2015

This is very much like the Three Percent Catechism that Mike Vanderboegh promotes. I feel that this is a necessary discussion. Thanks Brandon for stepping up to the plate on this one. Goes without saying that we are going to need a solid foundation to rebuild on. A moral foundation that can support freedom. I suspect things will get pretty dicey at some point, and we will learn much about ourselves. For better or for worse. I hope for the better.

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Always the dilemma
written by Yeah , February 18, 2015

I read your last article and now this one. I couldn’t figure out what the major problem was that the liberty movement faced, even though there are many that are brought up. And then it hit me. The movement has no authority to do anything. It has to be built as a reactionary force. It can’t make a move on it’s own authority. And there are also no clear battle lines drawn if they had authority. So it’s really impossible to attack and destroy the people, or the problem, if the problem is mostly ideological and the people aren’t standing right in front of you. Then of course there is the problem of them having the authority to do what they want with you, with impunity, while you don’t have the same pleasure.
After reading today’s article it’s clear that you want to form an army and also have all the other major departments that the government has today in place too, but under different leadership. Makes sense to me. But we’re not going to be able just to vote them out either, so we’re back to square one again right. With no authority to just move them out. And with not enough people who are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore nationally to join up. Or for them to personally declare a state of war like the Revolutionary one. I guess we need a bigger group. Or a bigger more specific enemy.
I was inspired by the video of the standoff at the Bundy ranch. I guess the BLS backed down because they didn’t want to make the place a rallying call. But even there, the people that created the problem were not on the front lines. And only one side had the authority to shoot to kill with impunity. That could have been either the beginning or the end for both sides if shooting actually started right. But the one side had the right mindset.
I guess for now just spreading the info will have to do. And people still hate the teachers with a passion.

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Thank you
written by Sierra G , February 19, 2015

You offer an important writing. By reducing ourselves to an amoral, “the ends justifies the means” society, we become less than human. Animal farm.

As a Christian who has made some efforts to gain survival skills, it disturbs me to find a very un-Christian element in the portion of the survivalist community that is outspoken about their faith. They lack any understanding of the absolute sovereignty of God over all situations, including something akin to SHTF or TEOTWAWKI. A Christian is not able to, and proclaim a belief in God at the same time, cast morals aside. He cannot avoid helping the helpless or defending the defenseless.

To live otherwise, now or then, is to live in a way very displeasing to God, and contrary to the very message of Christ that the Christian thinks he proclaims.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

I’m not really sure what your definition of “authority” is. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the original intent of the Founding Fathers gives the American people the authority to overthrow any tyrannical government set on the destruction of liberty. Natural law and inborn conscience gives each individual the authority to fight back in self defense. The government is supposed to derive its authority only from the people, though that model has been completely abandoned. Authority is for the most part petty and arbitrary. When I see a federal goon in a uniform, I don’t see “authority”, I see a guy in a costume, nothing more.

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Thanks again Brandon
written by rasta red , February 19, 2015

This piece is an excellent guide through the map of our conscience. You are correct, if we don’t consistently act out of conscience rather than the sometimes near-overwhelming rage that rises in us, we are no better than the enemy.

Thanks again Brandon….keep up the fight!!!

Rastared

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Debate over natural law
written by Theocrat , February 19, 2015

@Brandon

I agree with much of what you’re saying, God did create natural law but that term is subject to a whole host of definitions so eventually, you still have to have the debate over who’s view of “natural law” is “better”, or is closer to an OBJECTIVE standard. To the Marxist, natural law simply means survival of the fittest or might makes right because they begin with an evolutionary view of man and that he is nothing but a glorified ape that are competing for survival. Historically in this country when colleges had courses on comparative religion it was done from a Christian worldview and concluded in the superiority of the Christian faith over against all comers after an unbiased analysis of the evidence.

My claim is that the objective standard we must use is the Bible, the Hindu may want to use the Bhagavad-Gita or the Jew the Torah or as elaborated on in the Talmud and the Muslim the Koran. We still need to have the debate or the Marxists will once again fill the void with their definition of natural law and impose it on all of us.

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written by Theocrat , February 19, 2015

@Brandon,

To illustrate some of the concepts I am talking about, you might find an article I posted on my blog interesting. Its called “THE OTHER SIDE: METAPHYSICS AND MEANING” and its like eaves-dropping in on a conversation between Fredrick Nietzsche and Richard Dawkins where Nietzsche is forcing Dawkins to follow the logic of atheism to its logical conclusion of moral and epistemological nihilism.

Here’s the link,

http://www.presupposetheism.blogspot.com/

And my point is, if you don’t start with an agreed upon objective standard than you are going to be forced by logic into moral relativism and the moral relativists will rule the day and you are left with no logical and principled argument against their position.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Theocrat

Marxists have no concept of Natural Law because they embrace atheism, a concept completely contrary to the idea of inborn conscience. They think all morality is dictated by science and “logic”. I suggest you do a little more research on the subject.

There are no conflicting notions of natural law because conscience is not up for interpretation. The foundation of natural law as a philosophy comes from men like Thomas Aquinas, who took their observations of inborn conscience and made light of them, rather than “interpreting” them. Conscience dictates natural law, and almost everyone is born with the same aspects of conscience. As Carl Jung proved, ideas of right and wrong are Archetypal, they are not taught to us.

The standard is inborn conscience. What you are missing is the fact that conscience exists outside of human interpretation. It simply is. We can ignore it, but we cannot change it.

 

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Very simply put
written by James Thomas , February 19, 2015

That quote is Karma in a nut shell. Either you deposit your altruistic good deeds into your Karmic bank account, or you are withdrawing from it.

Very simple really !

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Thank you
written by PaulRevereDeux , February 19, 2015

Great article. ret us army…

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Appeal to intuition
written by Theocrat , February 19, 2015

@Brandon,

I have studied this subject fairly extensively and is the reason why I am raising the point about absolute moral values. What you are doing is appealing to each individuals intuition but what I want to know is what objective standard are you appealing to, to determine who’s intuition is right or more accurate? you are not answering this question.

Don’t get me wrong, to some degree, I agree with you that “natural law” properly defined is imprinted in everyone’s conscience but people suppress what their conscience is telling them to one degree or another. Evil people ignore their conscience to a higher degree, know they are doing wrong but do it anyway for selfish reasons. Also, what you are describing is what Paul explains in Romans 1:18-32 where, in their heart of hearts, evil men know the truth of God and His law but suppress that truth in unrighteousness.

So I pose the question again, what objective standard can and should we use to determine who’s intuition about natural law is right or more correct than another persons intuition?

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THERE IS ONLY ONE MORAL CODE – THE MORAL LAW
written by gardengritty , February 19, 2015


There is only one eternal and everlasting Moral Law written by the Moral Lawgiver with His finger on stone tablets – The Ten Commandments – as given by God for all mankind – Exodus 20 – NOT the “traditions of man” tinkered with by the Catholic church.

His Ten Commandments and His word – the only absolute truth written in man’s hearts.

Like it or not. Consequences for either.

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Authority
written by Yeah , February 19, 2015

I should have written down all my other later thoughts on this last night but I didn’t. Oh well.
What I mean by authority is to have the laws created by the government behind the government. Which means that they have the authority to put you in jail, but you not the ability to put them in jail. It’s pretty obvious when the BLS or and other law enforcement entity confronts a single person, they will be arrested and thrown into the government court system where it is unlikely that they will be treated any better. That’s what keeps people from acting. That’s what keeps people saying that you can’t fight city hall. As someone else likes to say, they have the monopoly on force. And it works as a deterrent to movements like yours and others. It’s almost impossible to be proactive without large numbers on your side.

The Bundy ranch was different. People did stand against the so called authorities. It was wonderful to see. And it did take a lot of courage to be there, armed, to confront the leviathan government. It’s just that the numbers were small compared to the numbers needed to change the whole country. I guess the point I was getting to is that even though there are some that see what the problems are, there are so many more that don’t. The numbers aren’t there. And just seeing isn’t acting. And acting aat this point could put you in bad place, alone. Yeah, I know.

I get the right of the people to throw off a tyrannical government. If the government was made up of five people and “the people” were made up of five people there would be no problem to do this. But those aren’t the numbers. As you know it’s hard enough to convince someone as to how tyrannical the government is, let alone to get them to act on it. Most people that I know would rather become a part of it and cash in than act against it. They won’t even think about voting for someone besides the guy that has the power now. I guess that explains why the incumbents win reelection most of the time. So bottom line is that the numbers will have to change enormously while like you say, keeping the moral high ground. Yeah, right.

And to see the police mostly as a guy in costume is fitting. But I would change that nowadays to a psychopath in costume. I could go on about this, but not here. I could go on about how local politics is connected to this, but not now. And I could explain your group to you too, because it somewhat fits this pattern too. In fact your group most likely mimics society as a whole. See, what you really want to do with your volunteer army is to put them through boot camp, brainwash them to your authority, and never let them think that they are ever bigger than your are. Otherwise the Benedict Arnolds will have a fertile place to work. I’m sure that your group has already formed it’s cliques and pecking order. It runs from the ones that want to be the generals to the ones that see the group as a social event. No, good for you.

Anyway I think that things will have to get a lot worse before they get better. It will have to come to a state of war I guess. Where both sides have impunity to enforce their ideas. I know, but as you and I pretty much know from what has happened in the past, waiting, or the moral high ground doesn’t usually get it in hindsight. Or maybe we could wait to end like the Roman Empire. The thing is that is the plan for them. And they are already in place for the complete transition to the new order of the day.

Just to give you an idea of where I am at in all this. At Christmas I was trying to explain to a “doctor” that the buildings on 9/11 could not have come down as they did without “help”. Not getting into this too much, he says that the reason that the Empire State building is still standing is because the construction techniques were better when it was built and the new towers will be built without the mistakes that these collapsed towers were put together with. We have a long way to go I suppose. I didn’t make any new friends that day. Go figure. And these are the people that are supposed to be the ones who are going to throw off a tyrannical government. Oh, and the other thing that got me in trouble was talking about Dems and Reps. Yeah, I know.

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Liberty
written by Grog , February 19, 2015

Brandon, you raised some good points regarding personal and community behavior, however please allow me to expand on two points.

Regarding this,

“I believe the formation of a liberty movement code, a kind of warrior’s code, is absolutely vital to our future”

For point one, consider this quote from Jefferson;

“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.”
For those reading this who may be unaware of this quote from TJ, in a nutshell this means that one can behave as one chooses as long as the behavior doesn’t inconvenience anyone else. This is not an easy perspective of life for some in society to have as a personal foundation of morals, because it requires the individual to give up selfish arrogance. However, for some of us, this is an easy perspective to hold ourselves accountable to.

Point two regards this,

“We help them now, by offering them the knowledge to prepare and organize for mutual aid. We go to our town centers, to local churches, to our lecture halls; and we openly educate those who are willing to listen — not to preach politics or to indoctrinate, but to offer practical knowledge.”
The difficulty in accomplishing this is that a lot of people do not want to listen. Whether from a lack of Spiritual perspective, a belief that the gov’t will provide in the event of an occurence-whatever that may be, or for any of the myriad of reasons that people choose to think, this effort will not always be successful.

For a more detailed perspective on what I mentioned above, visit the websites I’ve linked and visit the links contained within, there’s a lot of good knowledge there.

http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

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Dealing with the “Entitlement Community” during chaos
written by Chris Gains , February 19, 2015

Brandon, you’ve done a marvelous and righteous job of bringing forth the PRINCIPLES that we “Preppers” MUST keep, as our foundation for actions, ESPECIALLY during crisis periods!

Thanks!

That said, I have a bit of clarification that needs saying I think.

When Katrina blasted in, I & my wife were working in a Mission Home in South Houston, on a Christian Teen Training program. As quickly as possible, we sent about 20+ Teens, and some Counselors, to the George Brown Refugee Center. And that’s when we realized that we were dealing with VERY DANGEROUS & criminal elements, that had fled N.O., and settled in the George Brown Center!

Our young peoples’ ages ranged from 13 through 20. Almost every one of the girls were very attractive, and the boys very handsome. And, that became an immediate problem, as was their color. They were all Lilly white.

We had one girl nearly dragged into the men’s bathroom to be raped, (she escaped), several others left the center due to the disrespect, & sexual threats leveled at them.

Our boys had to quickly became “body guards”, (rather than care givers, [the reason they’d come], and ultimately the vile attitudes of the residents destroyed our ability to assist people.

All of our teens became targets, rather that “triage” personnel.

The residents were TOTALLY disrespectful, arrogant, unappreciative of the kids services, and threatening.

The City of Houston had set up the Center almost like a 5 Star Hotel. Huge, beautifully prepared air mattresses, Pillows, blankets, a side table with fruit & water, and magazines. A Restaurant like dinning hall, and plenty of Bathrooms.

But, rather than thankfulness, we heard CONSTANT gripping, harping, and demanding for more!

So, (the reason I’m saying this), these people did not appreciate a THING they were being given, but rather derided the Staff, demanded ridiculous things, and TOTALLY trashed the place!

WHY? You might wonder.

Because they were the “ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY” of New Orleans. NOTHING would satisfy them except getting everything they wanted.

After that experience I began to grasp the depth and breadth of our mistakes, as a Nation, with out Welfare Policies.

AND that these kinds of folks do NOT deserve the Tea Party, or Freedom Communities’ help…NOR do they WANT it! All they WANT is to GET everything they WANT, (but, not need).

Our Nation has made a VERY SERIOUS MISTAKE for the last 50 years, and, when the proverbial SHTF, these people, (ALL OVER America), will destroy, in order to HAVE, and KILL, in order to GET what they want!

This said, I STRONGLY ADMONISH anyone, (especially during a collapse), to be VERY AWARE that there are MANY ENTIRE communities that you do NOT want to send your forces to, and do NOT DARE enter.

Those people are the 4th Generation of “entitlement USERS”, and therefore, do NOT realize that they must EARN their way through life, not simply seek to TAKE & fraudulently maneuver their way through. They LITERALLY do not know better! They, in they’re own way, are LITERALLY as fanatically committed to their leech lives, as ISIS fighters are to Mohammad!

They are TOTALLY DEPENDENT UPON GOVERNMENT for their survival, and, when the ATM’s quit spitting $$ out, and their SNAP Cards quit functioning, then you’ll see Ferguson X 1000, on steroids!

I’m speaking as a Christian Missionary (40+ years), and warning you in the most SERIOUSLY DIRE way I can, to PLEASE realize that “We the People” have TRAINED these communities, (as Ferguson depicted PERFECTLY), to DEPEND upon SNAP Cards, Welfare Checks, and “free handouts” that they’ve ALWAYS had, and NOT upon their won labor. That is the reason that they have the highest crime rates in their communities, the most drugs, and the most dangerous spiritual “settings” of their minds. Again, look at Ferguson. a PERFECT EXAMPLE of what will happen!

They are the product of a 50 year long project to enslave a portion of America, to see if it could be done! And the success rate of this project is NEARLY 100%!

So, remember, it took 50 yrs. to produce this depth of dependency disease, and it’ll probably take longer to break them out of it…if they ever can.

Other than this one warning, I FULLY agree with EVERYTHING in your message Branden!

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Theocrat

For a “Christian”, you do seem to cling to the idea of the “objective”. Conscience is SUBJECTIVE but at the same time UNIVERSAL. Meaning, I experience it internally, you experience it internally, but what we experience is essentially the same thing. This identical experience IS THE STANDARD. It is not an objective standard because I can’t look directly into your soul and you can’t look into mine, only God can do that. However, the standard remains because what we experience internally is a universally shared experience.

If you are looking for “objective” science experiments proving conscience, then I suggest you study the works of psychologist Carl Jung and his discovery of Archetypes.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

The proof is in the pudding and you can’t argue with success. Bundy Ranch was a success, one which all the skeptics and nihilists claimed would NEVER happen. Ferguson was a success, and Oath Keepers stood their ground against the “free shit army” and the state alike.

I keep hearing these hypothetical arguments about why success is not possible. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it one last time – THE ODDS OF SUCCESS ARE IRRELEVANT. PERIOD.

In the face of tyranny you fight, or you are enslaved. That is your choice. The odds do not play into it. Time to man up and do what needs to be done, or, curl up in the fetal position and await your master’s demands. The debate over hypothetical odds is an incredible waste of time.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Chris

I’m really not sure what your point is. Who do we choose to label as the “entitlement users” and which areas do we assume to be too dangerous? Do we operate on assumption alone? Do we make broad generalizations about people we’ve never interacted with?

I’m fully aware there are bad people in the world, but we all need to use our observational abilities. I’m not suggesting you walk into an urban welfare riot and try to make friends, that would be idiotic. That said, Oath Keepers did walk right into Ferguson, when every other jackass in the movement was telling us to let those people burn, and we saved at least one neighborhood. No one can argue that was not the right thing to do.

I am not going to operate on the assumption that certain people are not worth helping. I’m going to examine the situation and make that determination based on experience. I’m not going to make judgements against people based on broad and arbitrary standards, I’m going to judge each individual as they come.

If someone doesn’t want my help, then they can hit the road. If they are a rapist or a violent aggressor, then I’ll put them in the hospital (if they are lucky enough to get to a hospital).

Forgive me, but your mistake was sending children into such a situation in the first place. You always send security to assess a critical scenario first before you send aid. The concept of mutual aid is not faulty, but people can certainly apply it incorrectly.

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One Objective Truth
written by Chris R. , February 19, 2015

@Theocrat

I agree with what you said in your posts above. In order to build something, you must have a solid foundation. The idea of one external Law Giver – God – is not really welcomed (or understood) in this generation.

As Chuck Colson was asked why he didn’t receive tough questions after a speech to Harvard Business School entitled “The Problem of Ethics”: “When asked why, one student surmised there were no tough questions because most of the audience didn’t know the right questions to ask. Most of them had never been exposed to real issues of moral philosophy and ethics.”

The greatest myth? That man is basically good. Bad assumptions lead to bad decisions and bad outcomes. RE: Chris Gaines’ experience above.

http://www.breakpoint.org/features-columns/articles/entry/12/9649

Theocrat, I checked out your link. You should post more on that blog.

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written by Theocrat , February 19, 2015

@Brandon
I think all Christians ought to cling to the idea that God’s word is the only objective standard in which we may independently judge whether or not both mine and your internally subjective experiences or ideas of natural law lines up with His objective standard. You admit that this is not an objective standard but I have to ask, how can you logically proceed to make moral demands on anyone other than yourself? And I am not faulting you for making moral demands, I am just pointing out that if you have no objective standard to appeal to outside your own subjective internal experiences, it does not follow that you can make moral demands on anyone but yourself. Do most people have a general idea as to what is right and wrong, to this I think we both agree but maybe for different reasons and I think this is what you mean by “universal”.

Don’t get me wrong, I love you like a brother and I have read all of your articles with baited anticipation since your old blog neithercorp. Your knowledge and research on the most important subject matters for the preservation of freedom in this country is extensive and your ability to communicate complex ideas in an easy to understand fashion is outstanding but if you are going to start dealing with the issue of moral necessities, eventually you are going to have to ask yourself whether or not your underlying philosophical beliefs make your insistence on others adhering to moral principles intelligible. Apart from the foundation of the Christian world and life view, I say you can’t. If you disagree, give me an argument that makes absolute moral laws intelligible on another foundation.

In regard to looking for objective science experiment to prove conscience, that’s not what I was asking but I will look into Carl Jung’s explanation for Archetypes and see what he has to say. I imagine whatever argument he came up with is dealt with in that article I posted but I am always interested in new ways unbeliever try to come up with absolute moral laws outside of an absolute moral law giver.

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written by Chas , February 19, 2015

These are very good points you have made, and have brought me back to the core values that were once indicative of the “American fighting man” creed. Unfortunately, I have found myself advocating the total eradication of Muslims through the use of well placed tactical nukes, or fuel air explosives due to my experience with them. Thus I am guilty of advocating evil to eradicate evil. It is indeed easy to slip into the self justification needed to become what you hate when blinded by the mindset of revenge, is it not?

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@Chris
written by Theocrat , February 19, 2015

@Chris

Thank you for your comments, I am familiar with Chuck Colson and his background is not really philosophy so he might not have done the best job at answering tough philosophical questions. You might want to look up Greg Bahnsen, I consider him the greatest Christian intellectual of our time. His background is philosophy and he specialized in dealing with atheism and other religious belief systems so his work is about the best you can find on this subject.

His most famous debate was the Bahnsen/Stien debate and in it he lays out the whole program that I am trying to get at with Brandon. Here is a link to it on youtube;

And my blog, LOL, yeah, I haven’t posted much on it since I created it, maybe I should when I find the time. Currently, I am a lot like what Brandon is describing in his articles, preparing myself and family for what I see we are going to have to face in the near future. About six years ago I moved my family in the middle of a small farming community about an hour outside the big city and am doing my best to garden, raise small farm animals, practice self-defense and be as self-sufficient as possible.

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I get it
written by Yeah , February 19, 2015

I am resisting. You seem to think that this is a war. It’s not. It would be a war if you had the same ability to not take responsibility for your own actions and lay that on someone or something else after you do what warriors do. You know, you are free from prosecution because this is a war you know. I kind of get it. But that’s not where we’re at. Maybe we need more martyrs? Yeah, I get the dying for you country stuff too. But seriously, this may be the time for action, but there aren’t enough people involved to effect change. That’s not a defeatist attitude. I try and change people every day. It’s not working. I didn’t surrender (but they made my horse surrender). And I will keep resisting because I’m not going over to the other side. Maybe if everyone became Lone Gladio’s huh. I try to inform, but it gets to the point that it becomes insane to let other people know what you are thinking anymore. I made that mistake the other day again. It felt good, but that’s about all I accomplished except bringing unnecessary attention to myself.

I think that you are doing the right thing though. It’s probably an ego boost to be surrounded by like minded thinkers. I am surrounded by none. I’m not in prison. But sometimes it feels that way. I’ll be o.k……I think.

Keep up the good work though. I enjoy your articles and thoughts. If there were only thirty million more likewise thinkers. Then we could try and get rid of the other three hundred million opposite thinkers. When I told the local pol what I thought the other day, he said, I thought you were moving. Yeah, I am I said. But like to where?

 

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Theocrat

Now you are simply ignoring the previous points made, or you do not understand them.

Conscience is a universal standard. Objective observation of it is not as important as the universal experience of it. Morals are essentially the same no matter where you go in the world, and no matter what religion you happen to scrutinize. Even Islam has similar moral standards to Christianity, and we have the same kind of zealotry and extremism that they deal with as well. I and anyone else can point out wrongdoing because morality is an INBORN standard. I don’t make moral demands as much as I point out moral trespasses. If I have suggested any moral trespasses that you personally believe ARE morally correct actions, then say so. Don’t lazily suggest that someone somewhere might not agree with my “form” of morality. Show me where we differ morally, or where my expressions of conscience diverge from most other people, and go from there.

I shouldn’t have to explain this again after covering the idea so thoroughly in previous posts.

The Bible is NOT an objective record of God or morality. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “objective”. The bible is a faith based document outside of the realm of objective observation. Unless you have hard scientific evidence that the Christian god is objective fact…?

Carl Jung was also a Christian, he just had a deeper understanding of what morality is and where it comes from than the average Christian.

What you don’t seem to grasp is that conscience and natural law are internal proof of a higher power, not separate or contrary to the notion. I think many evangelicals in particular cling to the idea that morals come from the bible because it makes the document absolute rather than the soul, which is a concept often too complex for them. Jung often lamented that the average Christian refused to examine their internal world and universal conscience because it was just easier to read their bible rather than explore the depths of where the contents of the bible came from. In other words, the exploratory side of Christianity has been abandoned for the sake of comfort and laziness.

The bible is an expression of the contents of the soul, it does not dictate the contents of the soul. Just as the Constitution is an expression of natural law and the inborn concept of freedom; it does not dictate natural law or freedom. The soul of man dictates all, and all our souls share certain universal contents.

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Excellent Discussion
written by ApoloDoc , February 19, 2015

Brandon, I appreciate your efforts in putting forth this blog and cannot more strongly agree with anything you have written. In various parts of the ‘patriot’ community I have addressed this issue, and actually wrote a great deal in the OathKeepers forums on this subject. As I read through these comments, I can thank ‘Theocrat’ for saving me the trouble of laying out the grounding argument for morality: that OBJECTIVE morality requires specific standards.

The problem that I continue to run into is that too many people will make their own personal moral claims but they deny the absolute source. Above I read someone citing ‘the Gita’ which illustrates the conundrum. Hinduism is so self-refuting as it claims that all is one and this world is total illusion. If it IS illusion, we can know nothing. There is only subjective experience with leads us to moral relativism.

I read a good bit of what Bill Buppert writes, and while I agree that governments always go bad, their “non-aggression principle” is also a totally subjective view. THEY claim this principle, but there is real truth claim.

God DOES ground objective morality, and He has written this on our hearts (not everyone; I am convinced that true psychopaths are absent this). Truth MATTERS. Otherwise we are nothing but Nazi Germany choosing its enemies by personal choice. As God and TRUTH have been undermined in America, morality is lost. We see people with NO moral grounding. How is this to be replaced? Only by the grace of God.

With the loss of our Judeo-Christian heritage, our moral grounding has been lost. Too many times people will put forth a viewpoint or belief system, but without proper grounding, there is no basis to claim “truth.”

So we need OBJECTIVE moral law that is grounded in God. This is not acceptable to many, but they will have to find some way to justify their viewpoint.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

Again, you have two choices, fight, or become a slave. There are no mitigating factors except perhaps timing. Everything else tends towards rationalization or excuse. You don’t need to worry about what 30 million other people are going to do. You only need to worry about what YOU are going to do.

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Yeah right
written by Yeah , February 19, 2015

So why are you still alive or not in prison? I’m doing what I can from my position. What are you doing from yours? Telling me that I should die for my country.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

I help run the flagship CPT group for Oath Keepers in Eureka, MT and train numerous people in preparedness and tactical methods. I travel to other parts of the country and train CPT groups as well. I take risks everyday by exposing the reality of our situation, and I’m rather positive I have a file six feet thick with DHS. There are no actions I suggest to others that I am not already taking myself.

Again, you need to stop worrying about what I’M DOING and what OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING and focus on what YOU are doing. If you don’t want to take risks to defend yourself, your freedom, and the freedom of others, then don’t. It’s no skin off my nose. Really, doing the right thing should not require prompting from others. Frankly, the movement doesn’t need wishy washy people who can’t even drum up the courage to protect their families and preserve their principles.

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Come out
written by Yeah , February 19, 2015

I’m waiting………..And you are not going to like what I have to say next. But you can handle it right? So choose your words carefully. As they say, everything you say, says something about yourself. Yeah, I’m sure that upset you. It upsets all of them.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

What are you talking about?

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Already been done,
written by Poor Fellow Soldier of Christ , February 19, 2015

It’s called Christianity.

The Hairy Chested, Manly, Locust eating, drive the moneychangers with a whip, Maccabe’an, take Jerusalem and protect the pilgrims, gates of Vienna kind….

Hard to find these days.

though some wait and sharpen their blades.

The time is close. 1099

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MARY, Mother of Jesus, speaks to the world
written by Graf33 , February 19, 2015

Lanterns in an Emergency

Nov 1st, 2011

Mary

All the world is in my hands and I have been told by the heavenly Father to protect all those whom I can and to make it easy for them to find the right road in the coming darkness. The Father wants to provide for his children. He is like a father preparing for a coming disaster. He sees what Satan has in store. He sees totally what will happen (even though he will not cause it). He knows every moment and every situation of every person in the coming darkness. He prepares ahead of time, not wanting his children to be lost. So, he provides lanterns of light that will be put along the road. All who see these lanterns will know where they can walk in safety. They will not be lost.

The Father has prepared many lights. They are all available, but Satan would cover them over. If anyone listens to my words, this cannot happen. They can return to my words again and again to gain the needed light. So, listen to my words.

First, never fear because fear destroys hope which is needed as the darkness continues and people see no end in sight. When a disaster happens, people seek actively for solutions. However, as time goes on and the problems grow, they give up hope. The Father has entrusted these children to me so that they never, never lose hope. In the darkness, keeping alive hope is the key to survival.

Second, love one another. Stay close to one another. Help one another. Sacrifice yourselves. In this way, something will happen within you. You will find yourself unbelievably strong. Great heroism will be released within. You will see storehouses of inner strength that you never knew that you had.

Finally, believe these words, “I am coming”. Yes, time and again I will come to you. Whatever you need, I will provide. At present, you believe in me but you do not experience my presence because you do not need this now. The darkness has not come yet. When it comes, I will come. It is like the emergency lights that never shine until an emergency happens. When the darkness comes, I will come. Blessed are all those who have learned to call on me. Goodbye my children.

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written by yeah , February 19, 2015

So you do all of that great work. Do you have a real job? I mean like a check for doing real work? And not from the company? So where did you get your elaborate education from? It does seem like you got yours from some place a little more special. I mean with all that consciousness searching sh……stuff.

From your recent posts I can see where your expertise is. It seems to be into finding some other consciousness. Imagine that. Why is it that when you get past the prophets of liberty’s outward personas you will most likely find some conscience seeking guru. And that guru will keep telling you that you aren’t getting it? But if you keep following their dichotomy, one thing for you, another for them, you will be saved. And the problem with that for you is that they end up basically despising the people that follow them. Like me. They lose respect for you. You, if you can wake up, should lose respect for them too. Unless you get it get their teachings, then you’re o.k… And you will get it right where they want you want to put it. Yeah, I’ll die for you Mr. (fill in the blank)

And all this can be tied right back to their narcissistic personality. It’s funny, but really not, that all you people become, those supposedly leading those that are seeking liberty, end up to be nothing more than cult leaders. Leading people to a promised land that really isn’t there. It may be established one day. But not by you. It will never be accomplished either by your myopic thinking or their belief in you. But hey, let them work for you. And then you make these people protect you, because you tell them that they are cowards if they don’t. Seriously, you train people. To do what?

Yeah, I’m going to watch Michael Tsarison’s the psychology of humans again. It makes at lot more sense than you do at this time. Are you going to start selling silver coins with your face on them soon too? Most cult leaders do.

I’m hoping this is just a phase you’re going through. I really did like your posts

Yeah, right. Up until now. Know what I’m sayin’ now?

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written by Brandon Smith , February 19, 2015

@Yeah

That’s an incredible amount of ignorant assumption in one post, but I suppose I’ll address it all for others to see the extent to which personal bias blinds people to reality.

1) I’ve had numerous “real jobs” in my life, including writing, which is what I do now. What does that have to do with anything? It seems to me that you are trying to distract from the issue because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

2) I didn’t go to college, if that is what you are asking or implying. Again, not sure what my educational background has to do with this discussion, or ANY other issues involving my personal background.

3) Conscience is a part of CHRISTIAN life as much as it is a part of any other philosophical pursuits. Or are you forgetting that? Anyone who discusses conscience is now a “guru” attempting to build a “cult”? Amazing cognitive dissonance to come up with that idiotic conclusion.

4) No one asked you to “die” for anyone. I stated that if anything, you should be willing to die for your own beliefs, if you actually have any (I’m starting to question if you believe in anything beyond yourself). The amount of bias that you have projected onto my statements is truly astounding.

5) I’ve never claimed to be a leader of anything. In fact, I have stated on literally hundreds of occasions on this website and others that my goal is for people to LEAD THEMSELVES. I only believe in leading by example. Only when people begin to take responsibility for themselves and their principles and take stock in the world around them will things get any better. I act on my principles based on natural law, I merely suggest that other people do the same, but they are welcome to take it or leave it. Your interpretation of this as “cultish” is rather hilarious.

6) I train people to DEFEND THEMSELVES, and to prepare for crisis, not to defend me. I can defend myself just fine. I get nothing out of the situation except the satisfaction of knowing I helped some people. That is what I do. It’s amazing that the simple suggestion that people help others has led to such a frothing rant on your part.

7) What cult leaders put their faces on silver coins? You mean like the Founding Fathers? A childish and absurdly empty observation.

8) You liked my posts up until your narrow world view was challenged and you found yourself inadequate. People get pissed off when they realize they don’t have the world all figured out and maybe they have made a mistake in their thinking. You have attempted to make a discussion about moral principle more about me personally, which is a common Alinsky tactic designed to throw the discussion into disarray, clearly because you can’t address the issue on its own merit.

Stick to the topic at hand, don’t be an asshole.

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written by EricB , February 20, 2015

@Brandon “The Bible is NOT an objective record of God or morality. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “objective”. The bible is a faith based document outside of the realm of objective observation. Unless you have hard scientific evidence that the Christian god is objective fact…?”

I would disagree.

The Bible is Truth. Truth is not arrived at through the scientific method; therefore, God is not subject to man’s scientific inquiries, nor is His word. Can anyone find a Spirit by observation? If you did find ‘it’ could you weigh or measure it? Everyone has a beginning presupposition. The empiricist starts with the presupposition that his senses can lead him to truth. But, the Christian presupposes the Bible to have a monopoly on truth.

Whether one believes (faith) the Bible to be true (or not) is irrelevant. But, since His word is true it is the only objective and trustworthy source of wisdom and it is sufficient for everything pertaining to faith and practice. Belief in the Bible and the Bible itself are different subjects altogether. My belief, or unbelief, does not affect the Bible one iota, it remains the same. I am a fickle creature, indeed. That said, no one can believe the Bible to be what it claims unless God enables him.

Science CANNOT answer moral questions nor can it yield moral laws. If one chooses the scientific government at the expense of the Bible or any knowledge of God, one is choosing a government without morality. Having said this, please don’t jump to the conclusion that I believe science to be a bad thing.

Man is dependent on ‘a word’ outside of himself. Since man’s fall in Adam, the conscience of man has been corrupted and that which God placed in man, his conscience, has been seared to varying degrees. This is why the conscience of man is not the best gauge of right and wrong and why natural law theory with the conscience at its foundation will ultimately fail. In his fall man even corrupts the Word of God, so, it shouldn’t surprise anyone when he corrupts a man made document like the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence as well as his own conscience? Because the conscience is corrupt it is all the more reason to have things written down as a reference point. Thank God for His word.

Since all men are corrupt in themselves, fallen in Adam, separated from God, and deserving of His judgment, God, in His mercy sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to bear our just punishment on the cross…for our sins. In believing this message one has passed from death to life and will be raised on the last day to everlasting bliss with God forever. This is roughly how our founders defined religion, that is, a belief in God and an afterlife with either punishments or rewards, without which they believed this country would never work.

Now, Brandon, I agree with your conclusions but your justification for them in natural law, I cannot sanction. I believe your conclusions are noble, but they are not justifiable by natural law theory or the ‘conscience of man’ since man is fallen. Having said this, I wouldn’t hesitate to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in those endeavors which benefit all of us in this life and bring glory to God.

As a Christian, I believe that any endeavor of man in this world is doomed to moth and rust because of the fall. But, since God has called Christians to grow in grace and be conformed to the image of His Son, we are called to be salt and light in the world by loving God and our neighbor as ourselves out of gratitude for His saving purpose in Christ from which we benefit; all the while, continually hoping for our future heavenly home which is not, nor ever will be, subject to sin.

I recommend this site www.trinityfoundation.org for everyone’s edification.

Respectfully

Eric

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written by Brandon Smith , February 20, 2015

@Eric

You misunderstood my point. I did not claim that truth is necessarily arrived at through the scientific method. In fact, that was my EXACT POINT made to the posters above calling for an “objective standard” for moral compass. People don’t seem to understand what the word “objective” means – it means the opposite of subjective and generally refers to empirical observation and evidence derived through the scientific method. The Bible is NOT an empirical document. Sorry, but it doesn’t fit the objectivist mold in any sense. It is a faith based document and faith is an intuitive process. Many truths, often the greatest truths, are arrived at through intuitive observation rather than objective and empirical observation.

I did not say the bible does not hold truth. I DID say that it is not the kind of “objective” truth the above posters were looking for. Does this clarify my position?

Also, man is NOT dependent on rules and guidelines outside of himself. This is the greatest bastardization of Christian belief ever perpetrated. If such a thing were true, then every person who carries a bible and proclaims belief in the bible would be morally secure. This is simply not the case.

How many crazed Neo-Con evangelists are out there calling for nukes to rain down on the Middle East? How many pedophile priests have brought shame to the Christian community? Having a bible and reading a bible does not make a person moral. Having CONSCIENCE, inherent principles, and an understanding of those inherent principles, is what makes people moral. There are many moral people in the world who have never and probably will never read a bible, or believe in any particular religion, yet they still have a conscience.

The greatest lie the elites have conditioned into mankind is the idea that our identities and our morals are subject to environmental circumstances. The lie is meant as a form of control, for if we are blank slates at birth, then why not hand over our free will and moral compass to the people with the most authority to dictate our environmental safety? There is a Christian version of the philosophy and it does not originate with the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is collectivist propaganda in Christian form. This ideology has been PROVEN incorrect time and time again, most recently and most thoroughly by Carl Gustav Jung’s work on inborn Archetypes. Men and women are born knowing right from wrong, and if they would only listen to their inner voices rather than searching for outer dictations, if they would only understand their own dark impulses as well as their own greater potential, the world would be a much better place.

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Wow… I’ll be back
written by Ole’Wolf , February 20, 2015

This is the first discourse on morality that hasn’t defined morals by a religious definition. As a life member of the Church of MYOB… THANK YOU. Too often you see and hear preppers define their future by whom they will help/band with/deal with by their religion. Morality is and should STEM from belief… not be defined by it.
Sorry, didn’t say that the best way, please take no offense- I’m just taired of hearing I can’t have good MORALS if I don’t go to XXXX church.

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YOU HIT SOME NERVES WITH THIS ONE!
written by gardengritty , February 20, 2015

Brandon-
Any one of us, all of us, can speculate and ponder about our behavior with events that are about to happen.

Please mark my words – unspeakable evil is about to be unleashed all across America. In many ways we see the tip of the iceberg. We can talk about the Bundy’s success. And it was/still is a grand display of standing up for what is right.

Helping others is a reminder and encouragement to the best of our ability. That happened in the Great Depression as people were different then. Most worked together and help their neighbors. Today, it’s all about me, me, me. A whole new ballgame. There is little respect and arrogance pervades. It all starts at the top with the “king” and filters down to through masses. As the leader so goes the public. (Or many of them.)

In your first paragraph I must add that our American education system has spent years – generations – cranking out individuals who are “right in their own eyes.” Self-esteem, me, me, me are the watch words – along with the “selfies”, etc. It doesn’t matter that kids can’t read, write or spell…..or even think. it’s all OK.

The Holy Bible sets a high standard for how to live ones life, to love God and to love and treat their fellow “man”. Few dare to find it and walk that path.

Jesus Christ IS love. Trouble is mankind has turned their backs on Him. And His truth. His Name draws ire, angst and anger whenever He is spoken of. As we easily see even here.

Why? Why does no one gets angry at the name of Buddha, or Gandi, or Yoganandi?. Have you ever thought that Jesus came into this world to save it, not to condemn it. John 3:16-17.

Todays “Christianity” has turned into a money-making circus. Please don’t label all who believe in Christ by that example. Not all who have a much deeper faith in Jesus Christ attend a “building” or church on pagan Sunday.

The evil that is to come – some already here – is incomprehensible at this end of the times. When the psychotropic drugs, anti-depressants which most of America uses – are removed – as various articles already has as starting, and the ADD and ADHD long time users can no longer get their meds – people will go nuts – to put it mildly. You’ve seen 10 police try to restrain a man on hard core drugs. That’s nothing compared to what is to come.

When we have a Governor in California releasing “Lifers” and Non-Lifers” out into the mainstream public – we have not seen anything yet.

When we hear and see articles and news report of baby and dog rapes and tortures – we haven’t seen anything yet.

The Bible speaks of such a time of reprobates and the depraved. When one goes into the prisons and hears the stories of how depraved mankind can be – we still have not heard or seen the unspeakable evil that is yet to come.

It is my belief that all the beans, bullets, band-aids will come to naught in just trying to keep sane in an insane, depraved world. We can ponder and speculate all we want and having a moral code is imperative and the faith in that belief, but there also has to be something or Someone to back that up.

Revelation 14:12 for those of us here who are believers – “Here is the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus.”

We have a long, hard struggle ahead of us that we, no matter what we’ve done to prepare…we will not be prepared for what is truly to come. May God have mercy on us all.

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written by EricB , February 20, 2015

@Brandon “Having a bible and reading a bible does not make a person moral.”

True enough, Brandon. That, however, does not negate God’s word (see scripture passages below). Many people abuse God’s word and twist it to mean and say what it does not. If men handle God’s word inappropriately, It shouldn’t surprise us that they handle documents like the Declaration of Independence and Constitution in the same way. Men do this because their conscience is corrupt.

John 5:39
“You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,…” (Jesus speaking to the scribes and pharisees who came to wrong conclusions from the scriptures).

Romans 3:3,4
“What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar.” (God’s chiding of the Jews for having His word and being unfaithful to it).

It is true that man has a conscience (to varying degrees), placed their by God himself. It is built into man’s constitution and it has been this way from the beginning. The first man was put on a conditional footing before God based on his obedience to law. This is ‘natural’ to us. In the fall man was corrupted and now is subject to death and fear of death.

What is not natural to man is God’s grace in Christ. This is the message that must come from outside of us that was preached by God to Adam and Eve on the heels of their fall into sin and death.

Genesis 3:15
“And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head,and you will strike his heel.”

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Ultimately, moral law is only understood fully in the context of God’s whole revelation.

Again, I agree with many if not all of your conclusions, Brandon and consider you a brother in the fight before us.

Keep up the good work!!!

Respectfully,

EricB

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written by Implied Violins , February 20, 2015

Brandon, thank you for not only this article but your wel thought out responses here in the forum. I absolutely believe what you say about (most) people being born with a moral sense of right and wrong, regardless of what (if any) religions one is exposed to in life.

Where things have gone wrong is that there is a certain percentage of people who are born WITHOUT this moral sense, an actual genetic mutation, that results in people with this condition to be completely unable to feel compassion or empathy or even love. These people are commonly known as ‘psychopaths.’

For an excellent expose on these people and how and why they so often come into positions of power and wind up causing so much strife in the world, I recommend reading the book ‘Political Ponerology’ (the politics of evil) by Andrew Lobaczewski. Simply an axcellent book, available on Amazon.

The nature of the evil facing us goes beyond all belief systems and religions…the cold, hard reality is that there are monsters in this world who are born without the ability to care about anything but themselves – and unless enough people wake up to this, and soon, we will ALL wind up in hell.

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Immoral People in High Places
written by Graf33 , February 20, 2015

Oct 2nd, 2011, Nov 7th, 2011

Mary, Mother of Jesus speaks:

The task I give you is to record what is deepest in my heart so my secrets are known. Why must they be known? So, light is given and at least those who hear these words can be saved. Yes, my words are saving words, words of life and hope, which invite all. Let us begin.

A new army will come forth for which the West is not prepared. They do not realize that Satan has not revealed all of his strengths. The West thinks they are prepared. They have put in place their homeland security and have shared all their spying intelligence, as if they could know what is hidden in Satan’s mind and heart (for that is what they are facing). They are not facing a human intellect but an angelic intellect that is far greater than theirs.

He probes, not just from the outside but from the inside. He knows people in high places whom he can corrupt. He has them in his back pocket. They lead sinful lives and are open to blackmail and extortion.

People Entrapped By Vice

In this age, when my Son’s teachings are set aside, many have corrupt hearts, unable to overcome their passions. They are given to vices that they must keep secret. Satan has a hidden army. They do not even know that they belong to him. However, when he needs them to fail in their duties, they will not be free to resist. They are compromised men and women, yet they hold sensitive positions and are entrusted with important secrets. This is what I call “Satan’s Hidden Army”.

Casting Out the Demonic Lie

The world is like a maze, a puzzle with many parts which no one can decipher. Such is the confusion caused by a diabolical intelligence. He creates confusion and has mankind seek after solutions that cannot work and do not matter. In this way, time is lost and the great problems go unattended. Then, mankind awakens to dangers and threats which it never imagined and to which it had given little attention.

To gain wisdom, you must step back from the maze, set aside the superficial events, stop looking at the surface and go to the center of the difficulty.

The center is this. The Evil One controls so many hearts. Besides these hearts, many others allow themselves to be caught up in the demonic schemes (for their own purposes). Only a few truly see the central forces. They are alert and save themselves. However, this is not enough. I must alert every heart. All must see the demonic presence and they must rise up and say, “We must cast out the demonic”. We must not tolerate his presence”.

That is the problem. People tolerate the demonic presence and power in your midst. All who read these words must see and act. Let this cleansing begin in each one’s heart and home. Let the cleansing spread to the public scene. Because of conflicting views, not everything can be accomplished. Yet, much can be done.

I will tell you exactly where to begin. Satan is the Father of Lies. Begin there. Do not tell a lie and do not let anyone else. Live in truth and make others live in truth. No lies, at any time or for any reason. In this way, you cast him out.

(Everyone must tell the truth. What a different world it would be if the president told the truth, if the lawmakers told the truth and if companies told the truth.)

Hold yourself to this high ideal. Do not stray from it and you will see a great purification. Much of the world you cannot control. Many, especially in high places, will continue to pour out their lies. I will purge them from the scene. For you, the future must always be a way of truth.

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God’s council
written by EricB , February 20, 2015

@Implied
“.the cold, hard reality is that there are monsters in this world who are born without the ability to care about anything but themselves”

The cold, hard reality is that according to God’s whole council in the Bible we are all monsters inside. We are hostile to God and our neighbor.

Jesus explained the full extent of the moral law when he addressed obedience to it as not only incorporating ones actions but also ones thoughts-the conscience.

If we’re all honest we must admit that none of us has a leg to stand on before God. We all fall short of God’s righteous standards.

Moral law was given by God in our original endowment. It was republished in the Ten Commandments by God primarily for convincing men of their sin and their need of a Savior in whom He’s made gracious provision. This republication is absolutely necessary because of man’s fall and the corruption of his mind. A word from outside of man is absolutely necessary because of the fall.

Jesus states that apart from Him men have NO light in them. It is through His words that men were, and are, illuminated. As I’ve stated before this in no way means that simply because men read the Bible they are automatically moral. However, no man will be truly moral, in all its Godly implications, apart from it.

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Historical Perspective
written by GenEarly , February 20, 2015

Contrasting Gen.Lee’s orders to an underfed, ragged, often shoeless army invading Pennsylvania with Gen Sherman’s orders to a well fed, clothed, armed overwhelming, army invading Georgia and South Carolina.
Sherman won; Lee lost. Not that manners or lack of was “the” deciding factor in that war, Logistics and overwhelming numbers was more important, but coupled with the Union’s ruthlessness on civilians it was crushing.
Future activities may have the same alignment of factors and forces, imo. Maybe food for thought or not.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 20, 2015

@Gen

And ragged underfed groups of colonials defeated the British regulars, known for their ruthlessness and efficiency, on a number of occasions. Immoral action does not decide wars, intelligence and force of will decides wars. The more ruthless the U.S. became in Vietnam, for instance, the more it began to lose the support of the common people. Ruthlessness is a double edged sword, and the notion that it should be embraced as a practical strategy generally comes from people who like to revel in theory rather than practice.

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On to something or just on something
written by justanobserver , February 20, 2015

Rumor has it that the DHS has decided that right wing terrorism is a threat to America.

So do you think they will realize the existential threat posed by Paul Ryan licking the balls of the wealthy by wanting to give the teleprompted one fast track trade authority?

Or possibly the neocon degenerate Jeb Bush bending the knee to the chosen ones?

Or maybe even the conspirators in America who assisted in the attacks and cover-up of 9/11?

Of course they won’t.

They will perceive the threat as those who really grasp the meaning of “When in the course of human events…”

The principalities and powers of this world have nothing to do with old words in old books. They do not buy it and will not be halted in their actions by those words.

Do not expect mercy in this world if you dare to turn your back on what you think is a kindred spirit.

Guard well that old sovereignty.

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Too many confused people!
written by ApoloDoc , February 20, 2015

Objective: the property in question (morality in this case) lies within the act or object itself itself. EXAMPLE: the NUMBER of jelly beans in the jar

Subjective: the property in question is defined by the person beholding. EXAMPLE: what is the BEST FLAVOR of jelly beans?

Objective morality is not by consensus, that is subjective. Defining morality as “MYOB” is nothing more than a person’s particular preference. This is the problem with libertarian/anarchist views. They deny any objective standard for morality, only their WISH (a personal desire) to be left alone to do as they please.

Objective morality comes from the person and character of God. It is not imposed on Him, nor is it arbitrarily ‘chosen’ by Him [ie the Euthyphro argument is not valid]. Arguing about “Science” and “Faith” is a false argument as well. Using the scientific method to discern facts about the world around us actually SUPPORTS faith! That there is a consistency and predictability in our world points to God. That is why the early scientists were all theists. In an atheistic world there is absolutely no reason to suppose any order or “laws” in the world.

It may surprise many of you to know that there is a HUGE increase in the percentage of Christians in university philosophy departments these days. Some of the most outstanding work being done is by Christian philosophers.

Astronomy and astrophysics? MOST people in these fields are theists as well. The more that it known about the universe, the more obvious becomes the conclusion that it was exquisitely designed to support life.

IF Christianity is true, THEN the better the world is understood the GREATER the evidence for God should be seen. And indeed that is the case. Conversely the dirty little secret in Biological Science is that Neo-Darwinian evolution simply cannot work. Honest atheists are now writing books such as “Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False.”

In the same vein, there is no room for objective morality in a world without God. If all we are left with is subjective and relativistic beliefs, why bother? It is no more important than rooting for one team in the Super Bowl!

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THIS ABOUT SAYS IT ALL
written by gardengritty , February 20, 2015

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

There Are Only Three Kinds of People

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Question
written by Lars Olfen , February 20, 2015

Brandon,

May I respectfully ask that you elaborate on the following?

“God created Natural Law, which includes the inborn laws of conscience present in every human being”

Which God?

Which creation? When?

How does this square with the Jungian idea that the collective unconscious/archetypes is/are some sort of body of energy that has been passed from the ancients?

When did this start?

Thanks for providing clarity!

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written by Brandon Smith , February 20, 2015

@Lars

I’ve been studying Jung for over 15 years and I don’t recall ANYTHING about “body energy” being passed from the “ancients”. Sounds like a bunch of new age half-assed elaboration on the otherwise sound psychological studies of Jung.

As far as the inherent fact of natural law, conscience, and God, again, there is no empirical proof of any SPECIFIC god, so the question is a bit useless to ponder. What inborn conscience and Archetypes do prove is that there is in fact scientific evidence of creative design. As Jung often said, I cannot answer questions of god because such questions are part of a metaphysical reality that NO ONE has objective experience of. I can only point out that something is indeed out there, and around us, and within us, that has provided the reality we experience, and this reality is made up of distinct and opposing forces.

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written by PJ , February 20, 2015

“I have heard some survivalists and liberty proponents in anger over the trespasses of the corrupt establishment suggest a strict adherence to the eye-for-an-eye ideology, up to and including torture, harming of the enemy’s families, and even harming the children of those who would harm us.”

I’ve noticed this too. I suspect those who advocate this are provocateurs, attempting to discredit the movement. Libertarians particularly, could not advocate anything like it because it violates the Non-Aggression Principle, not to mention being collectivist.

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Answer
written by Lars Olfen , February 20, 2015

Interesting, thank you for the response and further sharing your worldview!

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written by Brandon Smith , February 20, 2015

@PJ

Some of them are indeed provocateurs, but unfortunately many are just regular people with ill conceived notions on how survival works.

This is why I included the references to popular media and cinema – there is a concerted effort by the establishment to promote the idea of moral relativism in survival situations, not to mention the idea that “real” heroes have to abandon morality, otherwise one is “weak”.

There are small groups of truly moronic and/or amoral people in the liberty movement, many of them who call the kind of principles I describe in the article “naive”. Real naivety comes from the assumption that survival is the only goal. If survival is our only goal, then we will lose the bigger fight. If the preservation of our moral code as well as the innocent people around us is our goal, then we have created a true problem for the elitist program. The elites win as long as we remain isolated from each other. The day we begin to work together for something more concrete than getting a politician elected to office, everything changes.

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Dr Joseph Chiappolone
written by roxburgh1 , February 21, 2015

Brandon,
Not sure if you are aware of the books and youtube videos of the good Doctor, above. I believe him. It feels right. If you are aware of him, all the better. If not, then I strongly urge you to become familiar with his work. I don’t want you to waste your time with a bunch of ‘unviables’, like some of those above. He is not a liberator, he is not the messiah. Rather, he is a messenger, and his message is very important. Keep up the good work.

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Epistemoloy
written by EricB , February 21, 2015

I hope the foundations of this country haven’t moved from Jesus to Jung.

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Religious Dogma vs the following of Christ’s Teachings
written by A Sheep No More , February 21, 2015

My name if Julie, from the US, and I am a follower of Christ’s teachings. I do not do religious man made dogma though.

To all the fake christians who no clue their religion high jacked, as most, to make an Angry, Jealous God …well, Christ came to give the message that MAN come between our innate connection to God vs the church or priest being in the middle. Would you TRUST MAN to interpret the most beautiful ancient texts? Would you TRUST the same corrupt MAN you speak of being that they aren’t christian so no moral code, having been endowed the ability to interpret theses ancient texts (Bible)? Could MAN might have left some things in …some out or down right misinterpret.

Research???? You did not KNOW Paul of Tarsus (10BC-67AD) – Agent of the Atonists. Author Ralph Ellis believes Paul and the historian Josephus Piso to have been one and the same person and you can track that down to Paul/Josephus …I HIGHLY SUGGEST you do RESEARCH on that information that even my Muslim friends are aware of. (because when I woke up, I reached outside this young country and made global friends)

And I’m tired of the fake christians banning others to hell thinking their god the only god; ever researched Horus the SUN god?

Since TIME is TRUE CURRENCY (not the fake federal reserve notes) spend the TIME to listen to the Natural Law presentations below! The degree to which we, collectively, live our lives in adherence with natural law, will determine the kind of world we create: the reality that manifests around us. What are the principles, or first things, underlying Natural Law and what binds them? What are the consequences of following Natural Law or ignoring it?

In absolute truth, Natural Law is inherent based upon moral code and teaches us the difference between right and wrong.
We don’t have to look far to see which way we are heading but, we can change things by seeking and speaking the TRUTH vs what we were told was true.

Combining the laws of nature (physical) with natural law (spiritual) by giving your TIME and ATTENTION (care), reveals the nature of true currency. Please use this material and take the TIME (true currency) to help de-slave your loved ones and the rest of humanity. This is a long presentation on Natural Law, but once one watches it, they will have a better understanding; see here: http://asheepnomore.net/2014/1…ttraction/

Continue on to see this GOOD ANALYSIS Of the 3 main religions. The video explains how the 3 major religions fit into current geopolitics. After watching this video, you will see that this is a proof of the Hermetic principle of “as above, so below”.
As the individual units of consciousness upon the planet becomes unbalanced toward one polarity or the other, you will see the reflection happen on a grand scale on the entire planet.
-see here: http://asheepnomore.net/2015/0…e-got-see/

Again I AM A FOLLOWER OF Christ’s teachings, not religious dogma of US god the only god or fakes know moral code. Michael Tsarion is a good source for this information and he brings LOVE, not judgment to the table.

And thank you Brandon Smith for always being on so tune with all your analysis and you’re a talented writer.

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Rebuilding After
written by G.R. Carter , February 21, 2015

These conversations here and Zero Hedge made me wonder what the world would look like a year or more after collapse. I wrote the story as a thought exercise, to see if I could come up with a plan to survive not just the collapse but actually have something to live for after the Reset.

I’m giving the book away on Amazon, so it’s not about making money. I just want to start the conversation about how we can work together to try and rebuild something better. Probably a silly premise, but I figured we have to start somewhere. I called it Dawn of Darkness, with the subtitle Fortress Farm. Gives you an idea of where I’m starting the thought process!

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written by Brandon Smith , February 21, 2015

@Eric

Jung was a Christian, and one of the only psychologists in history to give scientific evidence of the existence of a higher power. Don’t let your belief turn to zealotry.

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Epistemology
written by EricB , February 21, 2015

@Brandon

One should be zealous for truth, wouldn’t you agree? Otherwise, why bother blogging. Certainly, I’m glad that you do and am edified by everything you’ve written as are the friends with whom I share them. It is obvious that you are zealous in the things that you say and how could I condemn you for them. Indeed, there are those who are zealous but it is not according to knowledge. I’m not one of them. I am zealous, however, for those things which belong to God alone.

Our founders, most of whom were Christians, did not have Jung as their intermediary. Why would they? They had/have direct access to the mind of God in the Bible.

Was Jung orthodox in his teaching?

Through the scientific method one will never arrive at truth, much less a knowledge of God. Man cannot arrive at truth through his investigations. Truth is reveled, and that, by God in His word.

For our part, ‘faith’ is a gift given to us by which we embrace the things He says. Properly, biblical faith is assent to understood propositions from scripture.

Scientific evidence can never do what God claims for Himself, and His word, alone, and that is, raise a person from the dead. In saying this I’m not primarily talking about the ‘physically’ dead, though God of course will do that, but about the spiritually dead. God is in the business of making people alive, awakening them out of their sleep. This is miraculous which scientific ‘evidence’ is powerless to do.

Are you a Christian Brandon? Do you believe in Christ?

EricB

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About Jung
written by EricB , February 21, 2015

I have to admit I don’t know much about Jung, but this is what one person has to say about him (obviously this person believes Jung was no Christian):

J. Budziszewski, professor of Government and Philosophy at the University of Texas, says this about Jungianism: “t is based on damnable lies about the nature of good, evil, God, and the human soul. Yet these lies are being taught in ostensibly Christian seminaries and promoted by ostensibly Christian psychotherapists. I shuddered when I spoke to a Christian lady who said that her minister had been teaching her to ‘gain strength from her dark side.'”

Thoughts?

EricB

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Another question(s)
written by Lars Olfen , February 21, 2015

Brandon,

I’ve read your site for +3 years and align with you philosophically 99% of the time.

Please help me understand further the tenets of Jungianism (for lack of a better word, if you’ll humor me).

In a post collapse or Alt Market scenario, what is the final arbiter used to settle matters? Suppose I support confiscatory taxation and another does not? Suppose I support a central bank and another does not? And the list goes on.

What resolves these issues if all parties collective consciences/archetypes tell them they are correct?

The more I examine Jungianism the more it appears to be a neo-pagan cult (of personality?) rooted in eastern mysticism with some spirit channelling thrown in via seances and other stuff.

I am uncertain of the solidity of such as foundational to a belief system to which I would consent or involve myself.

At a glance, it would seem such belief systems derailed the former Constitutional Republic known as the United States of America.

Most respectfully.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 21, 2015

@Eric

Being a zealot is never something to be proud of. Look up the famous zealots throughout history and what do they leave in their wake? Nothing but destruction.

If one understands the truth, the real truth behind life, then he also knows that it is impossible to FORCE others, by way of argument or politics or weaponry, to make other people see that truth. They have to come to the truth on their own. Zealots are not satisfied with this reality, they see every problem as a nail and every solution as a hammer. Zealots also have a tendency to narrow their ideology down until ANY deviation becomes unacceptable to them. This is where you get wars between Catholics and Protestants, for instance. This is where you get Christians fighting Christians – all in the name of foolish zealotry amongst those ignorant enough to think they have the “whole truth” in their possession.

I might feel that I have a far better grasp of the truth than you do, but I am not going immediately dismiss every aspect of what you have to say. Anyone who does that must think he IS a god, for who else could know the whole truth about the world. And if you think you have that kind of grasp on the truth, then you are simply deluded. This is the great downfall of many Christians today (evangelicals are the worst) – they assume their faith should be accepted by others as ultimate truth even though their faith is a subjective experience unique to them. They are so adamant that other people agree with them that they are willing to use force in order to produce the response from others that they desire. Their religious beliefs have become Zealotry – it is no longer enough for them just to believe, now everyone else MUST believe as they do. There is no difference between a zealot Christian and a hardcore promoter of political correctness.

As far as criticisms of Jung are concerned, there are many upstarts and snakeoil salesmen who hate Jung. Rarely is there anyone with a legitimate argument against his work that makes sense. Anyone who produces such a profound body of work that is contrary to the established world view of the masses is going to attract criticism and aggression. Notice that there is nothing in the quote you provided that means anything concrete, or disproves any of Jung’s work. It amounts to nothing more than a list of ad hominems from and angry critic uneducated on the subject he is attacking. If THAT is what you personally accept as viable evidence, then I suggest you look harder at yourself and your own biases, rather than trying to dig up dirt on Jung.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 21, 2015

@Eric

My religious orientation is irrelevant. What if I am a Christian? You will merely claim I am not the kind of Christian that is to your liking or to your arbitrary standards, if only to dismiss the information I have provided which is contrary to your ingrained viewpoint.

What If I am not a Christian? You will claim that I am somehow not allowed to speak from a position of observation on the Christian dynamic because I haven’t “experienced it” the way you have.

You see, when a zealot asks such a question, there is no right answer. My personal beliefs have no bearing on the discussion of conscience, because as I have already shown, and as men like Thomas Aquinas and Carl Jung have already proven, conscience has NOTHING to do with whether or not one is a Christian.

I am not the topic of discussion. Conscience and morality are the topics of discussion.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 22, 2015

@Lars

First off, there is no such thing as “Jungianism”. There is no “ism” that applies to Jung’s work. There is only the scientific body of evidence that supports Jung’s observations. You clearly have not studied any of his observations, which is why you first wrongly attributed the nonsense of “energy transfer from ancients” to Jung, and now seem intent on applying the “cult” label to Jung, a rather ridiculous label considering there has never been a Jung “cult”. If there is ANY cult surrounding a figure in the psychological community, I would say that figure is Freud, a member of the elitist fraternity whose poorly thought out clinical studies went on to become psychiatric gospel even to this day.

I think if your are going to draw conclusions on Jung, you should probably have an understanding of his work rather than operating solely on absurd rumor and assumption.

Beyond that, your question makes no sense. If you support central banking and another does not, then the conflict is resolved not according to Jung’s work but according to the non-aggression principle.

In order to exert the control over others that a central bank would entail, you are going to have to exert force, unless that central bank is only designed for people who want to participate in a central banking system (they would be at a distinct economic disadvantage, so I’m not sure why anyone would knowingly volunteer for this). If you expect to force other people to be subservient to your central bank, then I would think you will meet resistance, up to and including violent resistance.

Frankly, if you came to me post collapse and ordered me to be a slave to your central bank, I would put a bullet in you, and that would settle the matter rather quickly I think. Would this be moral? Yes, it would, being that you would have violated the non-aggression principle in an attempt to use force against others to enslave. My action would be one of self defense.

ALL ACTIONS can be arbitrated using the non-aggression principle. Whatever is done MUST be voluntary, otherwise, it is force. Period. And force will be met with force.

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written by Lars Olfen , February 22, 2015

Non-aggression principle works for me. Thanks for your reply!

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CONVERTING TO JESUS CHRIST…OR NOT
written by gardengritty , February 22, 2015

Eric B.
A Reminder –

Matthew 10:14
“If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.”

1 Thessalonians 4:8 –
8 “So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.”

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appreciation
written by Dirge , February 22, 2015

Brandon,
Thank you for writing this article. It is a topic that has plagued my mind for a long time. You have given me arguments to consider that affirm the ambiguous “sense” I had of how I ought to behave in a collapse scenario.

I won’t say I don’t still have doubts or “what-if” scenarios that cause me to question opening myself up to danger by helping others. Nevertheless, I feel duty bound to play a role in creating a refuge and eventually help rebuild society.

If it is not too much trouble, I could use some guidance from you in connecting with others in my area to be part of a like-minded group. I prepare alone for my family and any peaceful neighbors that come my way. I’ve tried contacting Oath Keepers PA region V, but the email contact on their website failed. I’m interested in information about joining a local Oath Keepers or MAG group. I’d be grateful if you could help me connect with someone in my area.

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written by Brandon Smith , February 22, 2015

@Dirge

You should be able to contact Oath Keepers about CPT through this email:

cpt@oathkeepers.org

If you still have trouble, let me know.

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States Right To Secession
written by Peter Alexander , February 22, 2015

I recently read a powerful article by Diane on the “civil war” and the war that president Lincoln led on the Southern States that constitutionally and peacefully wrote up articles of secession. The SOuthern States had every right to secede; however Lincoln arbitrarily determined that he had the power to forced these States to remain in the “union”.

The American Revolution, actually secession from England rule and tyranny, was a secession movement as was the Southern States secession for a number of tragical actions against the Southern States for not following Lincoln and progressives demands to give up their State’s Rights to self determination.

So Lincoln and the Northern citizens who blindly joined and fought against their brothers and sisters out of ignorance.

We must be informed of the fact or the truth and not fall for the lies. president obama loved Lincoln and may very well set up another “civil war” to forces the Liberty movement to conform. We will not comply. Which side of the river are you on? Will you fear and fret and submit or stand together and defend our faith, families and freedom?

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. God bless you. Long live the restored Republic-Constitution. Peace, Peter ~

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Free Your Mind Conference
written by agent , February 23, 2015

Julie
Are you aware of this conference in Pholsdelphia?
I know nothing other than what I have learned at freeyourmind.com
Every hour a different speaker talks apparently with the major theme being the natural law you speak of
Don Levit

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written by agent , February 23, 2015

I read thru all the comments and thought Theocrat made a lot of sense from the standpoint that even objective natural law is subjective
Jung would be one of his first supporters in that he believed the unconscious exerts a powerful influence on our thought speech and actions
What is unconscious cannot be objective natural law for we are not aware of what is submerged below the surface
The Bible is one source of which we can be aware of our inherent natural conscience
So are other religions books people we come in contact with and life experiences
While theocracy said some wise and interesting things I find his a anti Semitic comment totally out of kilter from
his other comments
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Good impossible without the grace of God through Christ
written by andysloan , February 27, 2015

Brandon,

It is impossible to live by the natural law without the spiritual grace that comes through knowledge of Our Lord Jesus Christ;

John 15:4-5

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.

Romans 5:1-2

“Being justified therefore by faith, let us have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access through faith into this grace, wherein we stand, and glory in the hope of the glory of the sons of God. ”

One can know the natural law, but one cannot keep it without the grace that comes from God.

God bless! I hope you find Christ!

Andy

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written by Brandon Smith , February 27, 2015

@Andy

Simply nonsense. I know many good people who are not Christians, and I have known many Christians who ended up being complete scumbags. Christianity does not have a monopoly on morality. Sorry, but the vast evidence speaks to the contrary. The sooner Christians accept this reality, the sooner they will be able to better relate to others and teach that side of Christianity which is actually legitimate rather than establishment controlled.

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written by andysloan , February 28, 2015

Sorry Brandon, but your statement is incorrect.
An act is good in accordance to the intention attached to it;

Romans 14:23
“For all that is not of faith is sin.”

The infallible authority of Scripture stands. Apart from Christ,one cannot have a good intention. If any Christian behaves immorally, he is Christian in name only.

Matthew 24:51 (Last Judgement)

“And shall separate him, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Andy

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written by Brandon Smith , March 01, 2015

@Andy

You just contradicted your previous statement. If an act is good according to the intention attached to it, then why does one need to be a Christian to do good deeds or to be a good person? As long as the “intention is good”, the act or person is good, according to you.

Also, the claim that intention is the only prerequisite to a good action is nonsense as well. There were plenty of “well intentioned” Germans who supported the rise of fascism out of an honest desire to provide for the “greater good” (many of them Christian, including the Pope at the time). As they say, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

Inherent conscience can and does in most cases dictate intention, unless people ignore conscience, in which case the intellect dictates intention, and intellect is often a realm of lies, just as zealotry is often a realm of lies. Again, Christianity does not have a monopoly on conscience. Sorry, but this is an easily observable fact of life, and not up for debate.

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